About the Creation of Souls

[once again from the book The Return of Light -- Elora is asking questions while Heru is being channeled. Heru is a creator god, AKA Horus in ancient Egypt]~*~And now we return to our discussions with Heru. We asked: Heru, please define the term "cosmic progenitor".Heru: Cosmic progenitors are a specialized group of creator gods who are capable of creating souls. [Elora: Is it a rare ability to be able to create souls? Are there relatively very few creator gods who can do this?] That is correct. I would say in general that in each universe there would be perhaps two dozen or so of the creator gods who would have that ability. And there would be several hundred of the creator gods in each universe. The creator gods were created by Prime Creator in another Creation, the most recent one before this one.Elora: When you use the term "soul", what exactly do you mean?Heru: It is certain that not all entities are souls, for many are just thought forms or some other such flotsam and jetsam. A soul is a very sacred part of Prime Creator. When they are ready to create a soul, the creator gods will go to Prime Creator and in essence request an egg. In this egg are all of the divine structures and patterns that are contained within Prime Creator, just as when a mother produces a human egg, her DNA is within that. The creator gods are the only ones who are able to make this request and hold it. It is through their love, and sometimes then the love of the cosmic parents, that this egg is then fertilized and activated so that it may come forth with a life of its own and become that mighty tree that we have spoken of in our various analogies.Elora: What are these "eggs" like?Heru: I see these forms actually as not looking so much like eggs, rather as very crystalline in structure. Interestingly, just as a woman would have no control over the genetic makeup of the particular egg that she would release, we in a sense have no control over which of those diamond crystalline forms we draw out from the Source. So to us it is a beautiful surprise with each new soul that we create. The crystalline structures have a uniqueness to them that is new and unexpected for us each time. And these crystalline forms, through intent and love and prayer, can be created into individual souls, or you can give birth to entire universes in this way. To do an entire universe, though, would generally take more than two of the creator gods. It would take a circle of beings to pull forth one of these structures forth and create a universe with it.Elora: In esoteric writings, it is said that the monad is the first individuated manifestation beyond Source. When the cosmic progenitors create a soul, then, is it actually the monad that they create?Heru: Yes. And they may create monads as singular or twin monads.Elora: How can the monad be only one step from Source, if it's created by the progenitors?Heru: Because before it is requested and drawn out of Creator, it is not separate from Creator. It is the act of drawing it forth into the membrane that causes it to become separated from Source.Elora: Are the monads then created directly from the void?Heru: They are created in the void but not from the void. The creator gods draw some of the primal creative energy of the Creator into the void and encapsulate it with a membrane. Within that membrane are all of the signatures, the personal signatures for that being. And then they bring to it, and impregnate it again with those same signatures, much in the same way that an egg would be fertilized in a human. This is done in the void. The energy they draw forth is an unformed plasma of light which is the substance from which all Creation is formed.Elora: Let's return to the subject of cosmic progenitors. The cosmic progenitors create the monads, and the monads are the original individuated beings, the souls.Heru: Yes. [Elora: Do all souls have progenitors?] Yes, they do. [Do progenitors create souls other than monads?] I don't know of any but that does not mean it does not happen.Elora: You have also spoken of "cosmic parents". Is there a distinction between cosmic parents and progenitors?Heru: Yes. Sometimes a soul has both cosmic parents and progenitors, but other times the parents and progenitors are the same beings. When there are cosmic parents as well as progenitors, the progenitors would work through the parents in creating a soul. In Karen's case, her cosmic parents are the beings who ensoul the sun in this system and one of the stars in the Pleiades. Her parents are in this universe, but her progenitors remained in the home universe. They are wonderful, glorious beings.Elora: How about myself?Heru: Durga/Sekhmet and I are your cosmic parents as well as your progenitors.Elora: Please define the term "cosmic parent" and explain exactly what they do, and in what way they are parents.Heru: We have made the distinction that for some people the cosmic parents and progenitors are the same, while in some cases they are separated. In the case where they are separated it is because the cosmic progenitors themselves are not twin flames. And because of that it is necessary to have an intermediary to perform the coupling, as you would say, to generate a soul. [Elora: So in essence the parents would make love?] Yes. [And interface with the progenitors in creating the soul or souls.] Yes.Elora: In other words, sometimes even creator gods who are twin flames might unite with different creator gods to bring forth souls.Heru: Yes; and we have. Interestingly enough, often there is a desire for what you might call cross-pollination, for a greater variety of material. [Elora: And cosmic parents would also not necessarily be twin flames?] Correct. The desire in this Creation for diversity is unquenchable, and drives a lot of what happens.Elora: Are cosmic parents and cosmic progenitors generally related?Heru: Oftentimes that is the case, but more often one parent would be from another lineage. Again, the desire for diversity is unquenchable. Therefore, more often than not there is a mixing of lineages.Elora: When parents and progenitors are different, do they both act as guardians, mentors, and teachers?Heru: They both carry some of those qualities; it is just a greater degree in the progenitors. While the bonds to both parents and progenitors would be very strong, there would be a difference in magnitude between them, in the sense that the parents would be roughly the same size and power and potency as the offspring, but the progenitors would be an increased magnitude of greatness.Elora: Who can become a cosmic parent? Is it only the monads, or can the aspects become cosmic parents?Heru: It is the monads who become cosmic parents. The aspects can involve themselves in the process of creating, and that does happen.Elora: Do all humans have progenitors, including humans who originated in this universe?Heru: Yes, all humans would have parents and progenitors, and in some cases those would be the same beings. More often, however, they are different.Elora: You have said that many humans are really ETs, or in some case angels. Do these have parents and progenitors as well?Heru: They would have some kind of parent, unless they are from outside this Creation. Then it's a somewhat different structure. But provided that they were created within this Creation, there would be parents. In the plant kingdom, and in the devic realm which rules the plant kingdom, there is the combination of parenting and vegetative propagation. [Elora: But generally beings in this Creation have parents.] Yes.Elora: Does each of us then have a cosmic lineage which is like a family tree?Heru: There is a lineage, yes. However, I would like to add the following. The cosmic progenitors create beings [monads] who then go on to become parents. But when these monads go to procreate, they are then directly interfacing with the progenitors, rather than the parents. Therefore the lineage is not stepped down like a family tree. Each time, the beings who are involved in creating will work directly with cosmic progenitors, not necessarily the same ones, but always with cosmic progenitors. [Elora: And cosmic progenitors are always creator gods?] Yes, and sometimes there will be more than two involved in creating a soul.Elora: When the monads procreate, what are they creating?Heru: If they desired to create a soul, they would be able to do so with the assistance of their cosmic progenitors. They would call in their own progenitors, and through their incredible expression of love, a new soul would be birthed.Elora: Can you describe the experience of creating children?Heru: What is created is love. If you could picture Durga/Sekhmet and myself standing together and focusing all of our love on each other, then what is in the middle begins to materialize and form as a third being - or as twins, in the case of the creation of a twin soul. Thus your term of making love is very apropos.Elora: Here on Earth, when a man and woman make love, they create an embryo. A spirit comes into that body, but the spirit comes from elsewhere. Can you compare this to the creation of beings by the cosmic progenitors?Heru: This is the difference, that when beings are in such a descended state as those on Earth, there are many bodies created in all sorts of ways - with love, without love, with drunken passion, at any level of creation. Those bodies are then ensouled with existing souls. The work of cosmic progenitors is much different than that. It is the actual creation, through love, of a new being. Through intent, creators such as Durga/Sekhmet and I can create ensouled beings such as you, or can choose to create more worlds. And it is always a choice what kind of being to create.Elora: Heru, earlier you said that the creator gods must go to Prime Creator to receive these crystalline structures or "eggs". When some creator gods fell, we know that they created fallen races like the dark reptilian races in this universe. Why would Prime Creator give "eggs" containing this sacred soul-matter to fallen creator gods?Heru: Because they were creator gods. Even though they were fallen, they still had the right to ask for these eggs. [Elora: Did not Prime Creator have the right to refuse?] Evidently not, and that has certainly been a problem - just as Prime Creator did not destroy the fallen creator gods, and certainly Creator had the ability to do so.

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CaptinSayzarzillion October 4, 2009 at 9:04pm

Souls are not created, they exist eternally,like cells in the human body,Souls exist within the Divine Body,They are not Created! You should try another form of birth control! You are pregnant with your own divine ignorance! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
- Vincent > CaptinSayzarzillion October 4, 2009 at 9:10pm
  
  :D
  - CaptinSayzarzillion > Vincent October 4, 2009 at 9:14pm
    
    You forgot the A,B,C, before the D
    - CaptinSayzarzillion > CaptinSayzarzillion October 4, 2009 at 9:19pm
      
      Actually what Im trying to say, If a Soul is created, what is it created out of? Why does it need to be created? Soul, cannot not exist and then come into existence out of nothing or void! Soul has always existed,always will! So, how does Soul exist?
      - Vincent > CaptinSayzarzillion October 4, 2009 at 9:26pm
        
        They're not created out of nothing, according to this they come out of the Source/God/Prime Creator, whatever you want to call it. You could say that the energy/substance used to create souls has existed eternally, but that each of these zillions of souls was shaped into an individual soul at some specific point in time, some souls being older, some being younger. Anyway, that's how I see it.
        
        CaptinSayzarzillion > Vincent October 4, 2009 at 9:50pm
        
        You mean a cookie cake baker? What kind of dough you know? Im not trying to put your information down, we all need critics to critisize us,otherwise , we all would just be a bunch of dumb zombies and robots agreeing with everything,Better to disagree then agree!
        
        Vincent > CaptinSayzarzillion October 4, 2009 at 9:52pm
        
        I agree.
Daytuner October 4, 2009 at 7:17pm

Very interesting Bro, thanks for sharing :)
SaRa TA´ARENAS October 4, 2009 at 12:31pm

Thanks.
Namaste