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  Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። May 15, 2013 at 12:28pm

  Oh orgasms LOl!!!  just brillient..how much more can I take of this bliss..*runs off to read more...
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  Dreamsicle August 7, 2012 at 2:41pm

  Yes! Within the first week of opening my communication with my guide (to the point where I talk then he responds), I had what seemed to be an impostor. And I'm still not even sure what to make of the experience because I'm sort of afraid to explore it more than I already have... but needless to say... I was definitely tested as well.

  Yes I agree, there certainly is tremendous power with JC's name. And when you think about it, because of all the thought and energy, we as mankind, have put into this name over the course of our existence... it's not surprising to me. Cuz I mean, you know our family in the spirit realm is well aware of the attachments the "living" have with JC. So I feel yes, even IF JC isn't real... the spirit and image he displays/expresses is very real.
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  Dreamsicle August 6, 2012 at 2:48pm

  "And even IF he was just a fictional character, that doesn't mean that our spirit family in the afterlife wouldn't try to embody him for our own sakes, when we really need them to, like in our prayers and dreams. Because fact of the matter is, a lot of people believe in him. His spirit/essence/vibe… has a profound effect on a lot of people’s lives. So I feel that our spirit family, our guardian angels… tailor our “divine experiences” to suit our current belief systems. That goes for all of them. For Buddha, Krishna, Zeus etc. Maybe even aliens, too. But behind all these appearances, is someone who loves us. Hell, I’ll probably play around with an “alien visage” in the afterlife. I mean, a lot of people love costumes, dress-up, role-playing and the like… who’s to say we don’t do that in the afterlife/heaven, too?"

  I know, he's a lot of people's guides. But since we supposedly have "thought bodies" in the afterlife, who's to say multiple people don't put on a "Jesus costume" for the sake of their loved ones still on Earth?

  Guides can choose to look however they want, from my understanding. So they can choose to look like what we think Jesus would look like, if they think it'll help us.
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  Avior August 5, 2012 at 6:13pm

  I think you might find the below information very interesting. It was written by Dr. Joshua David Stone in his book, The Complete Ascension Manual.

  The purpose of this chapter is to share with you some of the absolutely fascinating untold information that the average person does not know about the life of Jesus Christ. I did not make up the information I am about to bring you. I have received this is information from in‐depth research into the Edgar Cayce Files, Alice Bailey books, Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, lost manuscripts recently found in Tibet, India, and the Himalayan mountains, and channeling of Djwhal Khul. It is with great pleasure, meaningfulness and purpose that I bring you the ʺuntold story of Jesus the Christʺ.

  The story of Jesus Christ begins long before his life as Jesus. Edgar Cayce and Djwhal Khul have listed his past lives. According to Edgar Cayce, Jesusʹ past lives were (Amilius, Adam, Melchizadek, Enoch, Zend, Ur, Asapha, Jeshua, Joseph, Joshua, Jesus). Djwhal Khul added two more that occurred after his life as Jesus as Appolonius of Tyanna, and an incarnation in a Syrian body in which he ascended in this century.

  Djwhal Khul has confirmed Cayceʹs listing of past lives. Amilius was the first begotten of the father, who came in the Atlantean land and allowed himself to be led into the ways of selfishness. He then came as Adam, as in the story of Adam and Eve. He then came as Melchizadek, the Priest of Salem. Then he came as Zend who was the father of Zoroaster. Zoroaster was the great avatar of the Persian religion. In my research I found out that Zoroaster was one of the incarnations of the Buddha. He then came as Enoch, the ʺman who walked with Godʺ. He then came as Asapha.

  He was Jehoshua, who reasoned with those who returned from captivity in those days when Nehemiah, Ezra, Zerubbabel were factors in the attempts to re‐ establish the worship of God. Jehoshua was the scribe who translated the rest of the books written up to that time. 

  Joseph was referred to in the old testament as the one who wore the coat of many colors, and was thrown into the ditch by his jealous brothers. Later he became the dream interpreter of the Pharaoh. He then came as Joshua, who was as the mouth piece for Moses, and led the Jewish people to the promised land.

  In his life as Jesus, the Christ, He took his fourth initiation at the time of the crucifixion. The last three years of his life he was overshadowed by the ʺChristʺ. The Christ was none other than the ʺLord Maitreyaʺ, who was and is the head of the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Great White Brotherhood. The Lord Maitreya holds the position of the Christ, which is an office or title in the spiritual government. The Lord Maitreya was Jesusʹ guru and teacher. The last three years of Jesusʹ life, they shared the same physical body. The Lord Maitreya was the one who ascended at the crucifixion, not Jesus. Jesus took his fourth initiation which made him a Master, and which was also the breaking of the wheel of reincarnation and the need for rebirth.

  Jesus reincarnated nine years later, according to Djwhal Khul in the Alice Bailey books, as Appollonius of Tyanna and took his fifth initiation. Appollonius was a great, great soul, and many people actually confused Him and Jesus because they were so similar in what they taught and because they lived so close together chronologically.

  In Jesusʹs last incarnation in the Syrian body, he ascended. He came into this body approximately 350 years ago and ascended into the spirit world in this century, according to Djwhal Khul.

  Djwhal Khul also said another really fascinating thing in respect to when Jesus was on the cross. On the cross, at one point, Jesus said, ʺFather, why hath You forsaken me?ʺ I, personally, have always been confused by this statement. It didnʹt sound like the statement of a Master. Djwhal said, in the Alice Bailey books, that he said this because he was passing through the fourth initiation which has to do with the soul body or causal body burning up, and the soul returning back to the monad or spirit. What Jesus was experiencing was his soul or Higher Self leaving, which was a strange experience for him because his soul had been his teacher for all his incarnations. He didnʹt realize in that moment that his teacher was now becoming the monad, or mighty I AM Presence from then on. For that brief moment he was experiencing the loss of his soul until he reconnected with the spirit. He did very shortly thereafter, when he said, ʺFather, forgive them for they know not what they do.ʺ The father is the monad or spirit. 

  One interesting side note is that Jesus was born of the immaculate conception according to Djwhal and Cayce, and so was the ʺVirgin Maryʺ. Edgar Cayce says that the Virgin Mary and Jesus were from the same soul, or what Cayce called twin souls. According to Djwhal Khul, Jesus came into his incarnation as Jesus as a third degree initiate

  In reviewing Jesusʹ past lives it is fascinating to see the inter‐relationship of the different major religions of this planet. Very often Christians and Jews and other religions have competed with each trying to say whose religion is ʺrightʺ. The absurdity of this can be seen in the fact that it was the same souls who were involved with both of them. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi. He was Joshua who lead the Jewish people to the promised land. He was Joseph, in the old testament. He was Abrahamʹs guide and teacher, who started the Jewish religion as Melchizadek.

  One other interesting side note is that Abraham was the Ascended Master, El Morya, who is the Chohan or Lord of the first ray. One other fascinating connection between the Jewish and Christian religions is the fact that John the Baptist was Elijah in a past life. Elijah, of course, being one of the great Jewish prophets.

  To make this even more interesting is the fact that Joseph, the husband of the Virgin Mary, was none other than Saint Germain. The three wise men who came to visit the Christ child were none other than Djwhal Khul, Kuthumi, and El Morya. The only disciple to ascend, according to Djwhal Khul, was John the Beloved, (Kuthumi). In a later chapter I will talk about all the past lives of the different Masters and there inter‐relationships. In this chapter it is just interesting to see all of their involvement in the Christian saga. 

  The Essenes

  The next fascinating entry into this story is the whole understanding of the Essene community in the life of Jesus. The Essene community played a very important part in the coming of the Messiah, according to Cayce. Strangely enough, the Essenes were not mentioned in the Bible. It was really from the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, in the ruins at Qumran, that widespread interest and excitement in the Essenes began to take place. 

  The scrolls were the religious literature of the Essenes. There were, according to Cayce, a number of groups or communities of Essenes. The group that played the most significant role in the life of Jesus was the group on Mount Carmel, the original place where the school of prophets had been established during Elijahʹs time. The Essenes were students of astrology, numerology, phrenology, and reincarnation. These beliefs were in direct conflict with the beliefs of the Sadduces and brought about persecution of the Essenes.

  One of the chief characteristics of the Essenes, which distinguished them from other sects, was their ʹexpectancyʹ of the coming Messiah. It was in reality the chief reason for the groupʹs existence. According to Edgar Cayce, the name ʹEsseneʹ actually means, ʹExpectancyʹ.

  It was the belief of the Essenes that through a strict observance of spiritual law that they might purify themselves, so the Messiah might enter the earth plane and take on a physical body. (Jesus Christ, of course, was that Messiah whom they sought. However, the traditional Jewish people didnʹt understand this.)

  Jesus was bringing the next dispensation of spirit for the Piscean Age. The Jewish people, to a great extent, held onto the dispensation brought forth by Moses, which had to do with the law. Jesus came to bring forth the knowledge that ʺLoveʺ was even greater than the law.

  The preparations of the Essenes went into a new phase when they chose 12 girls to come to the temple at Mount Carmel to prepare themselves to become the mother of the Messiah. Mary was one of these children. According to Cayce, they were trained in physical exercise, mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, and endurance. Special diets were given the children and overall training in the spiritual life.

  The actual head of the Essenes at this time was a woman by the name of ʺJudyʺ. This was quite unusual for a woman to be the head of this sect in such patriarchal times. Judy was a prophet, psychic, and spiritual teacher. She had been trained not only in Jewish mysticism, but also in the teachings of India, Egypt, and the Persian lands. She was also a healer and recorder of the teachings. It was Judy that recommended to Jesus later in his life that he travel to Egypt, India, and Persia for further training and study.

  Mary was only four years old when she entered the temple. According to Cayce she was chosen by the Archangel Gabriel when Mary was twelve or thirteen. 

  Mary was separated from the other children at this time for further preparation and training. This period in Maryʹs life lasted four more years. A husband had been chosen for Mary, according to Cayce, even before the announcement by the angel that she was the chosen mother of the Messiah.

  Cayce said that the actual marriage did not take place until some time after her conception of the holy child. Joseph, her husband, (Saint Germain) was much disturbed at finding Mary already with child at the time of the wedding. The choice for Mary as his bride had not been his own. At this time in history Jewish families had arranged marriages. The choice for this marriage had actually been made by the priests. Joseph didnʹt like the choice of Mary as his wife, however this changed when he was informed in a dream and then by direct voice channeling that this was ʺDivine Willʺ. Joseph was 36 at the time of the marriage and Mary was still only 16. It was the Archangel Gabriel that came to Joseph and convinced him,.

  Mary and Joseph and both of their sets of parents were all involved in the Essene community, as were John, the Baptist and his parents. Cayce was asked if we celebrate Christmas at the proper time. He said we were not far off, around the twenty fourth or twenty fifth of December. The birth of Jesus and the early training is well documented in the Bible so I do not need to focus on that. The area I would like to focus, however, are the years from 12 to 30 which are not depicted in the Bible. 

  The Unknown Years of Jesusʹ Life

  According to Cayce, Jesus had become a master of Jewish law previous to his twelfth year. From his twelfth to his fifteenth or sixteenth year he was taught the prophecies by ʺJudyʺ in her home at Carmel. According to Edgar Cayce he was then sent into Egypt, then India for three years, and then into Persia for further training. From Persia he was called back at the death of Joseph. He then went back to Egypt for the completion of his preparation as a teacher.

  According to Cayce, the teachings he received in India were of ʺthose cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical as well as the mental manʺ. In the travels and in Persia, the union of forces as related to those teachings of ʺZu and Raʺ in Egypt. 

  According to Cayce, Jesus was registered under the name Jeshua. The Greek name is actually Jesus. Both of these names are contractions of Jehoshua, meaning help of Jehovah, or Savior. John the Baptist, was apparently with Jesus during the portion of the period spent in Egypt, although in different classes. John went there at the age of 17. Jesus and John the Baptist were in Heliopolis, Egypt for the attaining to the priesthood, the taking of examinations, and the passing of tests there. In the book, ʺThe Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christʺ, by Levi, it actually gives an account of the seven levels of initiation Jesus took.

  The great pyramid was actually built as a Temple of Initiation for The Great White Brotherhood. Jesus took his final initiations in this pyramid. In the gospel this was referred to as three days and three nights in the tomb. According to the ʺAquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christʺ, Jesus studied the Brahmic religion and the Vedas in India. He also spent time in Nepal, Tibet, Syria, and Greece.

  In India, Cayce said, he studied under a spiritual teacher by the name, ʺKahjianʺ. In Persia he studied under ʺJunnerʺ. In Egypt he studied under ʺZarʺ.

  The channelings of Cayce, Levi, and Djwhal Khul document Jesusʹ seventeen year journey to the East. What is fascinating, however, is that in this century ancient documents have been discovered in India and Tibet proving that Jesus traveled there. In the late 1800ʹs Nicholas Notovitch, a Russian journalist, in his travels to Tibet was told by a lama at the archives of Lhasa, capital of Tibet, that there were several thousand ancient scrolls discussing the life of the prophet Jesus. In the East they called him the prophet ʺIssaʺ. He traveled to a great convent at Himis, which is the largest and most celebrated monastery in Ladakh. He found these documents and in 1894 published the verses allegedly read to him as translated by an interpreter. In these documents are to be found descriptions of the life of the Buddha Issa, who preached the holy doctrine in India, and among the children of Israelʺ.

  In these transcripts it speaks of how Jesus became a disciple of Brahmins, lived for three years with Buddhist monks, and studied Buddhist scriptures. It tells of how he toured Nepal and the Himalayas and then proceeded to Persia where he studied the doctrines of Zarathustra, or Zoroaster.

  In 1922, Swami Abhedananda went to Himis, in Tibet as Notovitch had done and confirmed his story. Swami Abhedananda, with the help of the lama, translated the same verses, which he later published, along with Notovitchʹs English rendition of the text. 

  In 1925 Nicholas Roerich visited Himis. He published writings which he discovered at the monastery and elsewhere which paralleled Notovitchʹs and Swami Abhedanancaʹs accounts. He also reported finding throughout his journey, many other accounts of both an oral and written nature of Jesusʹ journey through out the East. He published this in a book called ʺAltai‐Himalaya, Heart of Asia, and Himalayaʺ.

  In 1939, with no prior knowledge of the legends of Issa, Elisabeth Caspari was shown three books by the librarian at Himis, who told her that ʺthese books say your Jesus was here!ʺ

  The proof that Jesus traveled to the East to train and study and teach both in channeled and scientific proof is overwhelming. It is interesting that the ages 12 to age 30 are pretty much left out of the Bible.

  It is important to understand that the Bible was not written by God as some may try to tell you. The Bible was written by man, a great deal of the Bible is manʹs interpretation of God, not a direct revelation of God. There most definitely is a great deal of inspired writing, however. It must be read with discernment.

  A second key point in this respect is an interesting point of historical fact in 505 AD the Ecumenical Council made a decree that all references to reincarnation should be taken out and removed from the Bible because they didnʹt like the concept. This event is a fact that can be looked up in the minutes of this meeting in our history books.

  The meaning of this is quite obvious. Not only is the Bible manʹs interpretation of God, but what man does not like in it, he removes. It is my personal belief that this is the case with the lost 18 years of Jesusʹ life that are not recorded in the Bible. I donʹt think the church higher ups were to hot on the idea of having the common people knowing that Jesus studied Buddhism, Eastern religion, Zoroastrianism, and the Egyptian Mysteries.

  A couple more absolutely fascinating pieces of information I have come up with from the Cayce files is that Jesus had three other brothers and sisters. This is what the universal mind said through Edgar Cayce. Jesus was born of the immaculate conception before Mary and Joseph were actually married. Joseph and Mary, after being married, went on to have three more children, according to Cayce. Two boys and one girl. The boys names were James and Jude, however I have not been able to find out the daughterʹs name. 

  Mary was four years old when she was chosen to be one of the twelve maidens as a possibility to become the Mother of the coming Messiah (Jesus). She was allowed no wine or fermented drink, and was placed on a super strict diet. When she was chosen on the steps leading up to the temple by Archangel Gabriel, there was thunder and lightning in the sky according to Edgar Cayce. The Essene temple I speak of here was also a school and one of the main things they taught was the ability to channel.

  Judy, the head of the Essenes, taught Jesus in her home from his twelfth to his fifteenth or sixteenth year. She taught him the prophecies, astrology, and soul travel in which Judy was quite proficient.

  Cayce said that the three wise men represented or symbolized the three phases of manʹs experience in materiality. Gold represented the material, frankincense represented the ethereal and myrrh, the healing force, thus body, mind, and soul. They also served as encouragement that was needed for Mary and Joseph.

  According to Edgar Cayceʹs readings of the Universal Mind, Jesus was born at the midnight hour. The Essenes, because of their gifts in channeling and prophecy, had total foreknowledge of Jesus coming and his coming was a big part of their coming together as they did in the first place. One last interesting point that Djwhal Khul told me is that Mary did ascend at the end of her life on earth.

  In the next chapter I have done extensive research into the life and teachings of the Essene community. In my opinion, they are one of the most fascinating spiritual communities that have ever existed on this planet. 

  More Fascinating Information

  In my continuing unfolding research some more absolutely fascinating information has come to me. One is that Enoch (The man who walked with God), and who is involved with ʺThe Book of Enoch and Keys of Enochʺ is one of Jesusʹ past lives, according to Djwhal Khul. Enoch achieved his ascension and in that lifetime was overshadowed by a being who currently sits on the Galactic Council named Melchizadek. It is interesting that in a later life Jesus took on the name of Melchizadek. 

  The second fascinating piece of information is from Brian Grattan and confirmed by Vywamus. After Lord Maitreya resurrected the body of Jesus, He lived on planet earth for 31 more years. During this time He went to India and also teleported to America.

  Then one other interesting piece of information is that in a past life of ʺMohammedʺ, the founder of the Islamic faith, He was the disciple Bartholomew. In his life as Mohammed, Archangel Gabriel and Jesus were two of His main teachers from the Inner Plane.

  In a later lifetime He took His fifth initiation as a yogi in India. He came back one more time as Patrick Henry, one of the great patriots in the United States. I donʹt think the fundamentalist Arab world would be too happy to learn of this most fascinating piece of occult information.

  Lord Maitreya, the planetary Christ, is the most evolved Being of our earth chain. of evolution. According to Paramahansa Yogananda, Mary Magdalene was the Catholic stigmatist, Therese Neuman. Krishna, the past life of the Lord Maitreya, came to teach humanity the second initiation. If I am not mistaken, I think He attained his fifth initiation in that lifetime.

  Jesus does use the name Sananda on the Inner Plane, as many of the extraterrestrial type of channelings of the Ashtar command indicate. I got a confirmation on this from Vywamus.

  St. Peter was a past life of Brian Grattan, the man who wrote the books entitled ʺRider on the White Horseʺ and ʺThe Mahatmaʺ, which you will read about later in this book. Brian Grattan is currently alive and well on this planet doing some incredible work. 

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   
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    Dreamsicle > Avior August 6, 2012 at 1:47am

    holy chit that's long.

    Okay, first off I want to say... I know Cayce well enough, we have his books, we have his research center filled with interesting people.

    I know what Cayce did. But I also know, the possibility... that not all his information may be absolute Truth. I don't doubt that he probably did get info from trance (I mean, he helped heal people with his trance info supposedly! according to stories)... but I also know the possibility that he may have been purposely given info while in trance, for a specific agenda... a good one to try and validate the existence of Jesus, but an agenda none the less.

    Now the reason why I say this, is because I don't see the purpose of us knowing the Truth while we live on Earth. We exist in the Truth when we die (at least I friggen hope so, not some other illusion ffs), so what's the point in knowing the Truth when we incarnate? What's the point of incarnating at all if we know the Truth. I have a whole discussion revolved around "what's the purpose of knowing the Truth?" that I could come up with. Maybe I will.
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      Avior > Dreamsicle August 6, 2012 at 2:29am

      I understand what you mean about the purpose of knowing certain things or not. For me, it's because it's interesting and inspiring. For others, it's for reasons of faith and religion. This appears to be where you might come from, as you question the existence of Jesus the man who lived on Earth. But there is actually overwhelming evidence that he did exist and it would be hard to believe that the entire world practically believes in a myth. It reminds me of people who claim we never landed on the moon, along with atheists who say it just to prove their points of cruelty. I really don't see whether Jesus existing or not is relevant to a person's evolution, unless that is, they are looking for a rock to stand on and something to believe in, which is what most people do.
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        Dreamsicle > Avior August 6, 2012 at 2:55am

        Well, I questioned his existence but I don't deny it completely. I just ask the questions, "what if?" I still use his name sometimes for protection when the moment calls for it, because just in case he is real, he's someone you want help from should you need it and he can give it.. ya know? Real or not, I'm still on team Jesus, even though I don't fall under any religion.

        I'm just trying to get people to think. I don't *need* something to believe in. The point of it all was to get people to realize that people can make mistakes through interpretations. I mean, I understand why religion exists and why there are so many different ones and I'm not going to tell someone "no, don't believe in that or this", specially if it's doing no harm to them or others.

        This whole discussion was created because someone asked me about Jesus and what he has to do with ascension, otherwise I wouldn't have even attempted to get out these words for the public.

        I don't know how to say this without sounding like a brat, but here it goes anyways. I already know things.

        When I say, "what's the purpose of knowing the Truth?" I say it because... we exist in eternity, supposedly. So we know the truth before we are born, and after we are born. Why spend more of our existence trying to figure it out WHILE we are born, if we just go right back into when we die? Wouldn't we want to experience more diversity than that? Wouldn't we want to experience multiple lifetimes with different types of religions to get a feel of what we thought worked best for us? Well, at least in the past... I'm sure these days we've had enough incarnations under our belt to have an idea of what we think works best for our souls. Some people may choose not to experience/practice any religion, like me.

        I say this because, I don't have a religion... and yet I can talk to my spirit guide. I find that fascinating. I find it fascinating that you don't have to adopt a certain way of life, to be able to communicate with the spirit realm.

        I also want to make it clear, just in case anyone has any deceased loved ones hanging over their shoulders while reading this, that I do not do readings since the first one because I can only handle talking to my main spirit guide, so if you come here looking for help, I cannot. 
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          Avior > Dreamsicle August 6, 2012 at 3:08am

          It's my understanding that when we die, or before reincarnating, we actually don't know all of the truth. Sure, we have a spiritual understanding, but there are souls at different stages of evolution. There are ascended masters and even universal and cosmic beings. We have no where the understanding that they do when we die. And where you go when you die, depends on your last thoughts and state of mind. Some will gravitate to the lower astral realms, or be earth-bound. Those types have not even a fraction of the understanding of what an ascended master would. So to say we already know everything, and all truth, is rather a misconception I believe. We may have light bodies all the way to the God-head, but those need to be cleansed and purified. There are very advanced levels of ourself, for instance, your own Monad or Higher Self. But that does not mean that we have realized these aspects of ourself.