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  VioletRay March 24, 2013 at 5:23am

  Hi folks, since this is about so called money, would like to try and clarify the issue a bit more.

  Money is not the cause of corruption, greed and control. Money is the effect of these types of human attributes.

  Meaning, greed and control type thoughts are what created the idea of money, because of some kind of fear of not having ones needs met or fantasies of power.

  So, money systems have not become corrupted, because they started out as a corrupt idea from the get go, why.

  Because it puts an obstacle between free human exchange, whatever that may consist of, and it does not matter if its peanuts or gold, someone or group is always going to try and corner the supply of peanuts or gold to gain power and influence over others.

  And as it is today, they have made cornering the supply of so called money, a fine art.

  And at the end of the day, a large percentage of human time and energy is funneled into the ones that control this supply of ink paper, giving far too much power over to far too small a group of beings that use these money systems to place themselves between us and our basic needs.

  And the results in this world speak for themselves, this relatively small groups influence can be seen in everything.

  Just think for a moment what this middle man tool called money, in whatever form, has enabled.

  It has given the ability to charge people for their basic needs, like shelter, food, clothing, etc..

  Where otherwise, it would be very difficult to prevent a man or woman from picking a piece of dirt and making their home on it, other than force of arms.

  So, they've gotten much of humanity dependent on these systems and they then support the idea and though they may think its unfortunate that some people go hungry, starving or homeless, ultimately many still think the system actually works, just because they happen to be getting a steady paycheck.

  Then when that steady paycheck is removed and maybe they take to the streets, the cleanup teams come swooping in, so the people do not see these homeless people and start to question if the system really works or not.

  Have seen this strategy first hand, and they usually put in hidden cameras and motion sensors later to be able to pick up and hide homeless people even quicker from the eyes of those sleeping in ignorance.

  Where they go, only god knows, hopefully away to a sane planet.

  peace love light
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 11:55pm

  You may not realize this but you ask loaded questions.

  questions that require a specific answer.

  they don't respond well to quantum answers.

  this question that you asked however is not loaded....

  . Have you ever asked me anything that I have not answered? 

  Yes.

  Often.

  And I let it go.

  because i recognize you don't have the answer.

  open ended questions leave room for discussion.

  your question generally do not.
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 11:37pm

  You expect me to offer you a 3 dimensional answer for something that I have a quantum answer for.

  There are very few concepts to me that are black and white.

  I spend my time solving paradoxes.

  And that is how I answer your questions.

  I don't engage in answering questions where I don't have a quantum perspective.

  Because I know I don't have all the answer.

  So if this is not satisfactory for you.

  I just won't talk to you.

  But I won't limit myself to satisfy you.

  Because unless I give you the answer you want, you don't accept it.
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    Peter Panayiotis Karanikas > Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 11:42pm

    I enjoy it when someone does this to me.

    because I recognize they have an understanding abouut the subject that I don't have.

    I recognize that if I keep going with it I will learn something from it.

    And I will thank them for it.

    As I have thanked you on occasion.

    Contrary to popular belief,

    I don't care about winning.

    I care about expanding knowledge.
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      Peter Panayiotis Karanikas > Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 23, 2013 at 12:05am

      I wish you well on your journey Amanda.
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 11:20pm

  I believe that we are one.

  That we are all connected by the energy that exists in the space between the electrons.

  That is my religion.

  Anything beyond that is how I spend my time.
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 10:53pm

  You question me about my beliefs and then you end up calling me names as well.
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 22, 2013 at 11:55am

  We may have our work cut out for us.

  I've had 18 jobs over the years.

  this is the only one that gives me goose bumps just thinking about it.

  Bring it on I say.

  YAY Team Light Worker.

  Take care brother.
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  John Jancar March 22, 2013 at 11:10am

  Money itself doesn't corrupt, neither does power. People corrupt lol People become corrupted, and corrupt others.

  I firmly believe any system, no matter what it is, can work good...if its set up properly, and the people with the power, are smart and wise and good people who care about everyone. And any system, no matter what it is....wouldn't work, if it doesn't have that.

  I can think of a number of ways a money structure could be set up, that's fair, and would lead to prosperity for everyone. Even our set up, now...isn't all the bad....it's just people become corrupted by greed....they don't care about helping people in lower classes...more than that, they pass laws and set up things to keep the lower classes low, and keep them in the higher classes on top. So that's the real problem, money itself isn't a problem...it's a currency...a means of exchange for goods and services.

  As for ETs...well it's easy for them to say....they have all this technology, where they don't have to do any real work. I'm sure if we had replicators and androids and robots and organic computers that learn.....we could eliminate money too. But we don't have that...the things our society needs, for the most part, people have to work for. People have to farm, mine, manufacture goods, provide services, things like that. For the most part, we have to do that ourselves.

  I guess we can find a way to use a barter method for that...but it'd be real complicated. Using a currency in exchange for goods and services, is a bit simpler and gives a bit more freedom. So it's not a horrible system, it's just we kind of ruined it, because of human nature, our lack of spiritual development. It's just how it is. Hopefully soon we'll invent technologies, or barter for them....and develop our interrelations, to a point where we can make our capitalist money system obsolete.
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    Peter Panayiotis Karanikas > John Jancar March 22, 2013 at 11:52am

    Bear in mind that the Et/s we deal with have had to go through what we went through to get to where they are now.

    And when we Earthlings pass on the baton of divinity by seeding the next planet, we'll have to keep a watching brief on them as they stumble through their ascension process.

    And those who know of our existence will be asking why can't we come down and help. Justlike we are.

    And we'll have to tell them, because it is your test of duality. 

    Just like the Galactic Family is telling us now.

    and I agree with you that the money is not the problem. if everyone has more than enough to meet their needs, in conjunction with a governance designed to administer such a scenario, people will eventually get over the money thing and start to focus on that which really matters.

    their spiritual being.

    It's just the concept is so far removed from what we are used to.

    It hardly seems possible.

    Thats all.