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  Vagelis4VP June 30, 2010 at 6:08pm

  ..have u ever heard of the inorganic beings, or flyers, or voladores, as described in Castaneda's books???...u can do a research...
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    katrine > Vagelis4VP June 30, 2010 at 10:55pm

    I have not heard for Castanedas books, what are they about? Do you know anything about the flyers?
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    Cedric > Vagelis4VP June 30, 2010 at 10:42pm

    I have and i see the schadows they talk about in The active side of infinity. I know i have been trying to fight them for as long as i can remember because they feed on us. But it seems only by going into silence can harm them, they feed on chaotic energy and can not live on silence. Problem is they gave us their chaotic mind this is why we feel this is not really us. It might also explain why manny here are dis-orientadet because when you mannage to get them to leave you they take their mind with them. And because you have never used your treu mind you are like lost in the beginning, because nobody is controling you annymore ...http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan12.html
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      katrine > Cedric June 30, 2010 at 11:31pm

      The link was amazing Cedric, helped me so much! Do you know a lot about this?
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        Cedric > katrine June 30, 2010 at 11:51pm

        I have been drawn to these teachings for over 15 years. And i try to live by it as much as my awareness at this point lets me.
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      katrine > Cedric June 30, 2010 at 10:49pm

      Are you kidding?? There is something stealing my energi? How do I protect myself from this, is this common? This got me scared. What are voladores - and where do they come from? Are they an energy that I send out?
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        Cedric > katrine June 30, 2010 at 11:48pm

        These schadows are part of the universe. Chek the link i put on my other response. you can also find info on u-tube. No worries they will not kill you, they need you alive. They are a chalenge you need to beat. If you wan to live your own life. They are not Evil they are just what they are.In the teachings they mention that if you can be in silence enough, your energy patern will return to normal and they will leave you. When we are kids we come with a energy field that is intact these schadows feed on it untill they empty it by that time you have reached adulthood and this is why you feel empty and your mind seems to go crazy. That crazy mind is not yours,your real mind is the calm one you percieve once in a while. the crazie mind is them inside you, having you in this state is making you give away your suplie of energy you use to try to fix your lack of it. Sorry if this scares you but it should not,this has been going on eversinds the beginning of time. I have this from u-tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R815x4BIsjU read the teachings on the link i talked about.
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          katrine > Cedric July 1, 2010 at 9:56am

          OK thank you. I couldnt stop reading about them last night! So interesting! A lot of people has it I believe. But this can also remind me of an 'excuse' for being chaotic or crazy, or even depressed? Or are they a part of a bigger reason - a part of us learning and growing, and without them we'd never learned and grown? Are they really the one and only reason for all craziness and wars on this planet, are we completely paralyzed compared to their existence, if so... is that the answer to life? If we just get rid of these - we will become the Light?
          
          it just feels a bit unfair I guess. As if without them, we would all live in peace and there would hardly be a world history - we would never have gotten off the Heaven path anyway.
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            katrine > katrine July 2, 2010 at 12:24am

            i feel your words are true to me :) but can they 'manipulate' us into being..well..turned on? because a lot of times, I find it hard to separate my own thoughts, feelings and worries as my own - or some evil work from the flyers. i am very confused by all this.
            
            weirdly enough, i had just gotten home from watching Eclipse at the movie theater, quite happy in a mood of wolf-fascination and Jacob thoughts. So i dont know, can that mean that my flyer put these thoughts in me - or feed of my crush for Jacob?
            
            I chose to view these creatures as an opportunity to grow as I am confident in the universe caring for us and wanting us to always take one step further. i wont give these flyers too much energy and I am glad i have gotten aware, all of your answers are so helpful! actually, knowing this makes me a little more confident about myself. i have always been a pushover and i dont like to have attention, but these past months there have been times with 'wake up calls', with a strong feeling of: i really dont deserve this and im not having it. the mind is clear sometimes, and when it is, it tells me things.. i asked before i went to sleep last night, what to do about the flyers, and before i finished the sentence in my head, several answerds popped out: "just ask for us. Ask for protection. Put a layer around yourself. Laugh. Search for peace. Trust yourself. Trust us." and so on. I have no idea who us is, but it felt safe anyhow :)
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            Cedric > katrine July 1, 2010 at 7:37pm

            Nicely put. Rest ashure that it is not my intent to draw atention to them by talking about them to much, it was just a answer to the post. I also do not call them or interact with them in my day to day life. I just see them fly around and sometimes i can detect one parasiting on someone. When they realise i see them they become vicious and use the host to attack me, it always surprises me that at that moment the host(person) has no clue why they attack me. I mostely leave it at that, unless we are specificaly trying to get this schadow to leave. I for one never adventure on doing so alone.