proof paranormal

If astral plane is infact a reality, then let one of you, an expert in astral projection, teach me to do so when I suceed in doing so, then he/she contact me via astral plane, I will give you a long pin number in astral realm such as 1955001113547778699335jtokroaringharmless%¿:-)#@254800.bullshit.com. He will then have to post for me such a pin EXACTLY through email!You might think that this will prove to me that astral plane is real. I am a very sturbon man! It will only proof to me that there exist some mysterious connection. Still, I will doubt say the existence of after life even if I get out of my body in as vivid experience as day to day experience, if not more. Nothing can prove to me that I will leave tommorrow except the tommorrow itself! Yes, even in present life, I doubt if I will leave tommorrow. Even when I resurect in heaven and see God, I will doubt if I will leave forever henceforth. So I wonder what place is PROOF in my journey? Nothing has ever been proven to me! You can imagine how far you are from ever proofing aliens, souls, angels and Gods to me. I don't trust my mind, thougths, heart, soul ears, eyes skin etc!But I am a joyous person!:)

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Dreamsicle April 29, 2013 at 10:41pm

There are a lot of people who agree with you. There are also a lot of people who agree with me. But a lot of people are merely observers because they wish to stay out of such discussions because they've seen what happens when they disagree with the "popular opinion of people on this website" (and I can't blame them for wishing to stay out of it). Many wish not to spend their time and energy in such discussions because they realize that it's almost impossible to get through to these people.

The only reason I do as such is because I understand that I have to share the world with these people as well. They're *supposed* to be role models but not many are living up to that label in certain aspects. That their actions and their perspectives have the potential to influence others, including children... luckily, the younger generations are usually smarter than the older and only a fraction get sucked into these delusions but most are fortunate enough to ask questions, think for themselves, and get themselves out of it.

At the same time, my heart goes out to these people. For some of them, after they die, assuming we exist after death... they're going to be so disappointed at how much time they spent living and believing in lies. I try to help people discover this before death so they can get more out of life but it seems that their state of mind has such a strong hold on them... there is nothing you can do or say to help them.

There are productive lies. And there are not-so-productive lies. The same reason I don't get involved in *all* discussions here, is the same reason I won't try to convince people that I think Jesus is either an imaginary character, or a fabrication of a regular man. Because the idea of Jesus's neverending love and such is a good message. Some people just need to believe in certain things. Some people just get too depressed if they figure out how much they believed in wasn't real.

Did you see the movie "life of pi"? It was very entertaining and very graphically pleasing, I highly recommend it. But in that movie, there was a moment when the little boy thought the tiger was a magical creature of sorts and that there was more behind the eyes of the tiger than just an animal. He wanted to pet it. His father caught him before the tiger approached him and he decided it was time to teach his son a lesson about life. He tied a goat to the cage, and the boy witnessed the tiger ripping the goat through the cage bars so he could eat it. The boy said he had lost all magic and wonder in life since that day. But it was a necessary lesson otherwise the boy would've succumbed to "Darwin's law" or whatever and been killed for something he obviously shouldn't of been doing.

Also, I think it's healthy for some people to think that there are consequences of a higher power (even if there isn't) for their misdeeds to help them try to be decent people while living on Earth because without this belief, they might say, "f*ck all" to everyone and cause problems for themselves or their communities. I mean, I'd prefer people to want and strive to be decent people because they want to, not because they feel they have to... but we can't all get what we want.
Dreamsicle April 29, 2013 at 9:33pm

Intuition is wrong a lot. And following your heart isn't always wise because it can fool you too. People have made some serious mistakes that they would've been well off not experiencing by listening to their heart alone. Like when someone leaves their family because they think they're supposed to "figure out their spiritual journey" (like someone on this forum almost did right before 12/21/12)... a lot of people followed their heart and intuition and were convinced the world was going to end 12/21/12... or they were convinced some other phenomenal, magical thing was going to happen that would change the world as we know it. Some people learned from this experience. Others did not.

You should think with your heart AS WELL as your head. Being rational and logical is an excellent trait to have as well.
einstein April 29, 2013 at 12:51pm

You post a request, then proceed to contadict your own request!!

"I am not here to be baby taught pleriminary things about intuition, logics and thinking as if I am a stupid person. I know these things better than you and when I say intuition an heart can lie, I know what I am talking about so address my question".

How is it do you think that these "experts" as you call them come to the realisation of the existence and the reality of these different planes??

They've come to know themselves....yes I said "selves"..plural! You have more than one body... you have a physical body for obvious reasons while on earth, BUT you simultaneusly have and are in possession of more... such as an Astral body, a light body, Etheric body, Mental body etc...etc!!

It falls on nobody else to teach you how to "shift your consciousness" from one "body" of perception to the other to experience these different planes of existence!! The Creator Him/Herslef couldn't teach you! It is something you yourself have to put the work in for to reap or experience the rewards of such!

If your intuition and heart are "lying" to you then either your "logical" mind is getting in the way of your intuitive knowing or your intuitive knowing still needs a good bit of work on your part to try to understand it in a more clear, concise and less analytical fashion!

Good Luck!!
Dreamsicle April 29, 2013 at 8:26am

I have been trying to "meet up" with friends in the dreamworld ever since elementary school to the point that both parties remember. It always ends up that I remember and they don't. So more than likely, it wasn't them in the first place. But good luck in your endeavor! Let me know if it's successful please =) This used to be something I was extremely interested in.

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