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  Roaring Lovely May 21, 2021 at 9:18am

  But it is good you brought this important topic of 'ownership of sanctuaries'. However, pple tend not to listen to Muslims tell their own story. They may listen to Christians, Jews, secular historians or Muslim haters. But there is some insights you get, if you listen to a Muslim.
  
  One of the insights is that Islam did not begin with Muhammad. Islam is basically a sect of Judaism that is more friendly to gentiles. It was there since the time of Abraham, ie before even Israel existed. Not all jews believed that a gentile prophet can never be sent to Israel. They site the example of Ballam, Job, Noah, and yes, even Ironically, Abraham himself was not an Israelite!!
  
  Originally Muhammad preached also to Jews and many believed him. He argued, like you can see above, convincingly that a gentile can be sent to Israel and that Muhammad may be one such a gentile.
  
  However, there was another problem in that many (but not all) Jews believed that Malachi was the last prophet.
  
  With this, the ownership of Jerusalem is now easier to understand. You see that clearly, both Muslims and Christians can claim Jerusalem, but Jews may as well not!! Why? Because the belief that Malachi was the last prophet was a later concoction that was not there during the establishment of the sanctuary. We cannot say the sanctuary belongs to this latter sect. Why should we say so?
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    Roaring Lovely > Roaring Lovely May 21, 2021 at 10:06am

    

    We can perhaps better say that 'Judaism', in the sense of 'belief that Malachi is the last prophet' did not exist during the time of Haggai and Zechariah, i.e. when the temple was built. If you argue that the temple belong to those who believe that Malachi was the last prophet, then we land into a ridiculous conclution that the temple did not belong even to those who built it in the first place!!! Furthermore, for a Christian, you also acknowledge that Jesus himself was a tres-passer when he 'cleansed the temple'.
    
    Israelites believed that their God will talk to them forever! The Malachi theory belongs solely to such like Pharisees who wanted more to 'master the word of God' than to commune with God!
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      Roaring Lovely > Roaring Lovely May 21, 2021 at 10:20am

      

      Then 'Judaism' reduces into 'believe in Jews'. The other concept of 'worshipers of Yahweh' is delegated to a secondary importance!! Like Muhammad said, it overemphasize Jews rather than God!
      
      Judaism is the belief that God reveals himself through Jews!! It is something that actually was never taught neither by Moses nor by Prophets!
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  Roaring Lovely May 21, 2021 at 8:02am

  Caste system in Arabia.
  
  Muhahahaha!
  
  How will you sell this BS in a frying pan of Arabia which fries everyone equaly? Go there with your money, and at some point, you will throw them away!!
  
  In caste system, you are told that 'some people were meant to be rich'. Go to Arabia and this gibberish will be disproved to you on a daily basis. So how could a religion which teaches such become popular in Arabia? I mean this is patently silly idea in Arabia!
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  Roaring Lovely May 21, 2021 at 7:45am

  

  Could Moses, and latter, Muhammad, possibly teach people starving in Arabian hostile deserts not to eat food that sometimes are the only available food, like in this case, quals that happens to pass by? Ask yourself this question and spend two months contemplating on it!
  Exodus 16
  New International Version
  Manna and Quail
  16 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. 3 The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the Lord’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.”
  
  4 Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. 5 On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in, and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”
  
  6 So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, “In the evening you will know that it was the Lord who brought you out of Egypt, 7 and in the morning you will see the glory of the Lord, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we, that you should grumble against us?” 8 Moses also said, “You will know that it was the Lord when he gives you meat to eat in the evening and all the bread you want in the morning, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we? You are not grumbling against us, but against the Lord.”
  
  9 Then Moses told Aaron, “Say to the entire Israelite community, ‘Come before the Lord, for he has heard your grumbling.’”
  
  10 While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the Lord appearing in the cloud.
  
  11 The Lord said to Moses, 12 “I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, ‘At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.’”
  
  13 That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14 When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was.
  
  Moses said to them, “It is the bread the Lord has given you to eat. 16 This is what the Lord has commanded: ‘Everyone is to gather as much as they need. Take an omer[a] for each person you have in your tent.’”
  
  17 The Israelites did as they were told; some gathered much, some little. 18 And when they measured it by the omer, the one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little. Everyone had gathered just as much as they needed.
  
  19 Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.”
  
  20 However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them.
  
  21 Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. 22 On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers[b] for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. 23 He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”
  
  24 So they saved it until
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  Krishna Kalki May 21, 2021 at 1:01am

  

  A halal eater is not human but a reptilian...most Muslims are halal eaters..not humans but Reptilians..creatures...animals as you are what you eat...these idiots do not even know that you are what you eat.
  Doesn't the Koran tell them that you are what you eat
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    Roaring Lovely > Krishna Kalki May 21, 2021 at 4:16am

    

    I have explained to you that hinduism cannot work in deserts where pple have little choice on what to eat. Do you lack understanding or what?
    
    Can you give people fighting in oasis for barely enough source of food, a further diet restriction just like in the luxurious Indian plateus? Hinduism cannot work in Arabia. There was never such a thing. Never, throughout arids and semi arids.
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  Roaring Lovely May 20, 2021 at 9:21am

  In other words even if it were true, and we apply this standard equally to all, then pple who will lose everything are Americans, not Muslims! This is because they stole the entire continent!
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  Roaring Lovely May 20, 2021 at 7:30am

  Masjid-al-Haram was Hindu temple?? This is ridiculous. Hinduism is not sell able globally, and particularly in deserts. Only Islam and Christianity have a global appeal because it teaches that all people are equal before God. What will happen to a sect that teaches that some people are 'old souls', 'starseeds', 'light workers', 'better evolved', 'nearer to God', or in short, a 'caste system' trying to emerge in a desert where there is fearse fights over oases and greener pastures in otherwise hostile place? Such groups will be exterminated on the spot! At no point can they, at first, possibly spread peacefully accross the deserts!