Where Is The beer?

Where is the spirit?Behold! A group of people gathered in the bar around the table, but there is no beer on the table! So, how do we enjoy the new wine? The 'drankards' opt to describe the beer to each other. It seems futile, but after a wile, I see the guys are not sober!Where is the whisky?Where is the new wine?Where is the spirit?I get one resounding answer: the beer is not on the table, it is beyond the table!There are so many ways of hiding santa. However, all of these ways are 'beyond' something. When men thought that the earth rests at the back of a giant tortoise, santa was beyond the horizon. Then men eventualy circumnavigated the earth, found neither the tortoise nor santa. Then santa now became beyond the SKY! That is to say the sky is now a sheet. But then we found that we are revolving around the sun and we should surely be seeing santa every year.Eventually, the modern man made a desperate attempt. They lost faith in hiding santa behind things. Lets try to hid the beast behind abstract concepts. What if we say santa is beyond language? Beyond understanding? Beyond reason? Beyond 3d? Beyond intellect? We win!!! Who the hell will ever travel 'beyond' abstract concepts??You seen, when all I have to say is where santa is not there, I can always keep the dogs ranning by moving the bone foward. The bone, after all will always ran beyond the fastest dog. So no dog will ever catch the bone to discover that it is infact just an illusion!You can corner one of the priests by challenging him this way: lets say you are in the field. Tell him I am not seeing santa even when I see upto the goal post. The answer is of course the usual, gues what? Santa is beyond the goal post! Little does he know that you are already seeing beyond the goal post as well, and of course there is no santa beyond as well! Then you getta know after all that even the priest is infact not seeing any santa at all. But it is hard to tell because the 'beyond' can hid even things that doesn't exist. But everyond can sound like a guru by simply saying: it is beyond, regardless wether he sees anything or not. He is under no obligation to show you anything. It is beyond illustration, beyond description,..., beyond sanity all the way to insanity.

One other thing, Wings, is that I didn't understand why you got concern with what you thought was my misuse of the word 'comprehend' while you and most pple in ACC thoroughly abuse many words. It seems more reasonable to wonder where you guys get definitions from. You routinely abuse the following words: energy, vibration, frequency, mind, heart, love, god, spirit, resonance, dimension, intuition, logic,..., the list is almost endless. Why might you want me alone to stick to the dictionary?

I guess it is cause I complained lots abount rampant misuse of well defined words in ACC. Then you miss my point. My complain is more of about the consistant refusal to define words when called upon by the other person getting confused. Otherwise words are VERSATILE. There is no rule pertaining to uses of words as long as we communicate.

Words are more like hammers, saws, helmets etc than the house we build. The house is the topic, but this does not mean we neglect to spend time with tools, if we are to build a house. Without helmet, we may not leave to be in the house we are building. Our harmers can hit our fellow workers.

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Lisa skidmore November 18, 2015 at 6:47am

Why do we have to sit on Santa's lap....lol...
Roaring Lovely November 18, 2015 at 6:02am

Year, the 'bear' from santa is valid too.

Hmmm, I just had to google search 'christmass stockings'. 'Santa culture' is wee bit strange here.
Drekx Omega November 17, 2015 at 9:57pm

Maybe we could say; "where is the bear...??" Do you want a teddy in your Christmas stocking, Rama...?? ;-)
Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 2:25pm

One other thing, Wings, is that I didn't understand why you got concern with what you thought was my misuse of the word 'comprehend' while you and most pple in ACC thoroughly abuse many words. It seems more reasonable to wonder where you guys get definitions from. You routinely abuse the following words: energy, vibration, frequency, mind, heart, love, god, spirit, resonance, dimension, intuition, logic,..., the list is almost endless. Why might you want me alone to stick to the dictionary?

I guess it is cause I complained lots abount rampant misuse of well defined words in ACC. Then you miss my point. My complain is more of about the consistant refusal to define words when called upon by the other person getting confused. Otherwise words are VERSATILE. There is no rule pertaining to uses of words as long as we communicate.

Words are more like hammers, saws, helmets etc than the house we build. The house is the topic, but this does not mean we neglect to spend time with tools, if we are to build a house. Without helmet, we may not leave to be in the house we are building. Our harmers can hit our fellow workers.
Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 12:55pm

Wings, one of the even more problematic thing with dictionaries is that it almost always has more than one meaning for a given word. Therefore when someone uses a main word, it is prudent to always define your word. In our case, most dictionaries say:

COMPREHEND:
1: to grasp the nature, significance or meaning
2: to contain or hold within a total scop, significance or amount
3: to include by construction or implication

I tended to use the second notion.

So if I only discuss TOPIC but not the WORD, how would my reader know which of the 3 notions am I riferring to??

Also, it is not the word per-se but rather the CONCEPT that I like clarifying lots in topics. As a mathematical physicist, I understand the importance of setting language accurately in grasping concepts. If you were to study relativity, you may as well wonder whether it is math that you are taking or phyc. But math is just a language. It is even possible that all we need to do here is just clarify our languages instead of debating topics as most of us speak what is deeply within us and we all may be correct, only that we are not COMMUNICATING!!!
Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 12:06pm

Dictionaries are never the best places to find definition of words. You find them rather under the relevant discipline the word is being used. In this sense, EPISTEMOLOGY. Dictionary definitions tend to be circular. To comprehend is to understand and to understand is to comprehend! So what have we understood. There is a difference between an handwaving definition for day to day chat and a RIGOROUS definition to handle tougher issues such as maths, science or philosophy.

To comprehend is just not to understand. It is to do it EXAUSTIVELY. You can understand general relativity through the picturesque of 'curved space'. However, up until you do Riemannian geometry, you haven't COMPREHENDED it yet.
Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 11:55am

Wings,
your claim that I discuss words but not topic is mistaken a bit. I understand that language is limited and not every notion I want to express has a corresponding word already in the dictionary. Therefore I make use of the best word possible or I coin one. It is perfectly alowed in philosophy as long as one gives his unique definition. All what matter is for you to understand me, not the words I use.

Comprehend: To know all the relevant details.
Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 9:07am

Understanding is wee bit different from comprehension as the former is just but being thoroughly farmiliar with. You may not understand a nuclear plant, but it is because you have not taken time to check all the details down to nuts and boltz. There isn't anything magical about understanding. 'beyond understanding' is a misnormer created by religion to serve itself.

Understanding is dynamic and grows in proportional to knowledge. Our comprehension on the other hand is always limited at any given moment. We donnot understand the cell, but only because we cannot familiarize our selves with all facts about the cell; including the invisible things such as 12 strands of DNA. We say the cell is BEYOND COMPREHENSION. Not beyond UNDERSTANDING. Rather, we say we will never understand it COMPLETELY. It is the same with the universe, the mind, God etc. Everytime we look through the telescope, we understand things that were yet to be understood.
- Feather Winger > Roaring Lovely November 17, 2015 at 11:35am
  
  I´ve often wondered where you get your definitions of words....since you often like to discuss the words more than the topics. I looked up comprehend and here is what I got.... several different dictionaries.
  
  To comprehend something is to understand it, like when you have to read a difficult passage more than once in order to comprehend it.
  
  When you comprehend something, you grasp its meaning. Comprehend is a verb that originates from the Latin word comprehendere, which means “catch or seize.” When an idea is clear to you and you understand it completely, you comprehend it..
Feather Winger November 17, 2015 at 6:38am

It simply might be beyond my ability to understand at this moment.