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  Dreamsicle April 26, 2013 at 4:18pm

  Because I disagree with you guys in this situation, I'm a troll? You realize how ridiculous that is, don't you? Do you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a troll? You've been on this Earth long enough to know better than that Mr Skirvin. C'mon now. =/ Trolls are too lazy to articulate their statements. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop throwing that label in my direction.

  "On the run".... =/ .... Pardon me for stepping away from the computer and enjoying this beautiful weather... jeez. Just as passionate as you are that this is a hoax... I'm equally as passionate that it is not. This thread doesn't have enough substance about the situation as http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/some-more-evidence-fr... does (the author is an EMT and has a very well thought out argument with pictures, and many links, I suggest you check it out)... so there's little for me to contribute to this page. But if you click on that link (which sends you to a thread on this website), you'll see on page 4 and 5 of the comments where I'm having a discussion with the author/EMT about his findings. A lot of what I said to him applies to you too. I have in no way changed his mind about his POV on this subject, but that's not my intention... because it's an impossible feat in the realm of conspiracy theories (and yes, some conspiracy theories are true, but NOT ALL OF THEM). All I try to do is provide my observations to be considered... and I find it disrespectful and immature when people don't even consider all sides of the argument.

   

  Maybe it'll help your ego if I find common ground with you first. One thing I've considered being possible -is that the suspects might not be the real culprits. There are you happy? I agree with you on something.

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  If you were rational, you would consider my arguments about the situation. All you're doing is glazing over my comments, going straight to, "oh, she doesn't agree with me, TROLL!!! not worth my time reading the points she's making"... if you are seriously spending your time and energy focused on your POV that this is a hoax... it would behoove you to consider all sides to the argument. Ignoring everyone who disagrees with you is not doing you any favors... if anything all you're doing is SHELTERING YOURSELF from anything that challenges you. That's not very wise, is it?

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  PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY... this next part is coming from a place of love and care with tears welling up in my eyes (and the main message below also applies to others on this thread, not just you):

  You seem to keep yourself in a state of fear with your paranoia... "everyone's out to get me!... and you!... and everyone!... ahhhh!!!" ---That's what goes on in the mind of paranoid schizophrenic. You don't have to hear voices or appear mentally unstable to be a paranoid schizophrenic... just thoughts in your mind that the world is out to get you ("everything's a conspiracy!")... there are varying degrees of this... but if you realize you're doing this, you can try and coach yourself through getting out of it with focus and determination instead of medication since all it requires is a simple change of thought. Some people need therapy. Some people don't.

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  And Ms. Nancy, I put a lot of thought into my comments and I don't appreciate you calling them stupid. Thanks for reading the entirety of that one comment though, a lot of people are too lazy or have too short an attention span to read anything longer than a paragraph... but that's not my only comment related to this "hoax" (I have 2-4 on this thread, and a handful on the other thread that I linked). I do type a lot, I agree, you're right about that... but reading is good for the brain and improves vocabulary... and I do my best to make it as easy to read as possible.  ----You don't know shit about my chakras... if you did, you would know I'm female (not a HE, grats on your intuition being wrong), and I would LOVE TO BE PAID FOR MY OPINIONS... why is it that anytime someone disagrees on this forum, they're a paid disinfo agent? That's just as CHEAP and petty as throwing the word "Troll" around when someone disagrees with you. Is no one in your life allowed to disagree with you people?

  I'm not repetitive. I think the only experience you really have of me is on this thread. This thread is the only place where I repeated two comments from another thread because it was related. If you actually paid attention to me (lol "what I'm known for"... bia, don't pretend you know me), I don't sit here trying to scheme and find ways to disprove conspiracy theories... I try to spark healthy conversation and healthy realizations. I tried to help people see that the world wasn't going to end on December 21, 2012 (guess what, I was right about that, =P)... I have a thread about "channeling beings" with pretty healthy questions... and yes, I say "if" a lot. Because if I don't know something is a fact, saying "if" is healthy.

  And "devoid of specifics..." there is no amount of proof in the world that would change your mind. I could be the guy who got his legs blown off, come to your house, and let you touch my wounds, and you still wouldn't believe it would you? You'd probably think, "dang, that's a pretty good makeup job".... =/ It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to give you PROOF that it was real. And you know that... and not because it's fake...  Imagine if you will, for a few moments, that it was real... just pretend, it's only a few moments... now imagine I'm you, asking you for proof that it was real... what could you give me? Nothing. You could try and show me a video or 12... you could try and send a victim over to my house... you could try and send the attacker to my house and have him straight up tell me he did it and why... and none of it would be good enough, would it? No.

  P.S. - If you have PROOF that I can get paid for posting on this forum, let me know the contact information for who's hiring for that position. Would be nice to get paid to sit on my ass in front of the computer and express my opinions. ffs. Do you even know what disinformation is? Wiki says: Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. --- Sharing my opinions.... they're opinions ffs. Now if I took a picture of myself and drew on cat pupils and said "look, I'm shapeshifting!"... THAT would disinfo because THAT would be deliberate false info. And that reminds me, you don't know how many pictures/videos you believe in are manipulated or edited. Of course I have no proof of that because I have no examples... but I'm usually pretty open in expressing myself when I see something that's been manipulated/edited and so far I haven't had a reason to use that as an argument in this situation because I don't believe anything I've personally seen so far has been edited... but I do think that because delusional people see what they want to see... they're pulling these theories out of their butt when they try to explain what they think is happening in a video or picture.

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  Mr. Skirvin, you're always going to be backed up on this forum... if anything, I'm the one who gets pushed into a corner on this forum because my opinions are different.

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  For people who are supposed to be all love and light, Namaste, positive vibes, intuned to higher self etc etc... you guys aren't setting a very good example for the younger generation for what that's supposed to look like. But that's just my opinion, don't get all huffy puffy over ONE PERSON'S OPINION.

  It takes a healthy, stable individual to be able to consider someone else's opinions that you don't agree with, without getting into a fight about it and name calling. There's healthy discussion.. and then there's childishness.

  I am a human being... and I have feelings too, just like you guys.

  You guys don't like me? Fine. You guys don't like my opinions? Fine. But that won't stop me from having opinions.

  Paid disinfo agents, luls... how would you like if I said you, and all people who think like you... and all the people that accuse others of being paid disinfo agents... are actually the disinfo agents? You wouldn't like that very much would you?

  Grats if you read this whole thing. I know it's long >.> I can't help it! I have a lot to say!
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  rev.joshua skirvin April 26, 2013 at 6:51am

  Sorry but I forgot something, they haven't stopped there. The DC shot missiles into the fertilizer plant, which really did kill people and injured hundreds more. There's several vids on this as well and now the 70 CIA agents there have taken one of the shells as evidence. But did you notice there's not much cover on this on MSM, its the real thing, I think. And then there was five explosions in Mobile Ala. from empty petrol barges. The 1st 3 were close together but the last two was far away, so it looks like dirty play there too. The DC War is on the move but where is MSM? And what is next. They are trying to keep the Fear Energy as high and as long as possible, huh. Adonai
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  rev.joshua skirvin April 26, 2013 at 6:40am

  Thanks folks for the back up, I needed it. I stuck my head way out there this time. But I truly think this was a fake ,a hoax, a show. Now that we got the DEBUNKER or troll on the run we can get down to business. And thanks Kat, I really liked the Aussie explanation. There's more of this guy on utube, with more straight talk and positive attitude  unlike the org. who is a bit vaguer . Did anyone see the vids with Speilburg pushing a wheelchair with another actor in it. Of course he may have Directed this film. But this show is the worst one that the DC has done, it should be easy for us to put all the pieces together even if we aren't debunkers. And remember this is not the first one, I think all of them have been done by the DC, But this is clearly the worst botch up that they have done and it is good for us , for we have the power of the internet at least for awhile to debunk them. Its all a move to set up the NWO. It bugles my mind just how many people were involved in this set up, including high ranking officials, so that in itself is  bit scary. How many of the MSM belongs to the DC. They are much bigger and stronger than we have suspected . The WAR is not over, it just moved to a new level. Maybe the DC, Archons, and the VISITORS are all working together. They do that sometimes when it benefits each org. Its time to unite light worker warriors ! Adonai
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  Dreamsicle April 25, 2013 at 5:47pm

  "Once I awaken".... says the woman who believes rumors and gossip. I could tell you that swallowing a tapeworm would give you a tapeworm and you still wouldn't believe it even while the tapeworm is falling out of your rectum.

  Do you ever consider your sources? Do you ever consider if your sources are worthy of respect and credibility? If you found out that half the information you believe in, was originally generated by a crazy homeless man drunk as a skunk who calls his box house a spaceship... would you still find his information credible? I know that's an extreme example but I'm trying to paint a picture for you here. Oh wait, or maybe you think that crazy homeless man but be "awake" and "enlightened" which is why he lives so differently and has such different opinions? Maybe the things he's shouting to the air are actual directed to his spirit guides, or sirians, or orions, or pleiadians that are feeding him the information. 

  You don't know how many people I have met, who were die-hard tree loving hippies, protesting for causes... even some with wild conspiracy theories that were never proven, who later in life joined the military, and retired from the military... only to have their perspective changed because they now had a first hand experience with the military to be able to identify quacks who have nothing better to do than fabricate rumors and gossip.

  I'm not saying I agree with everything the military does. I never once said that. I'm not saying there aren't things that go on behind the curtain that the public isn't privy to, I never once said that either. But if you sit there and find a way to call EVERY.SINGLE.THING. a hoax, or fake, or smoke and mirrors... take a step back and reevaluate your priorities.

  If you can sit here and say the boston bombing was not real, but bigfoot is... I really don't have to say anything because that statement speaks for itself.

   

   

  Widen your social circle to include more diverse people and you'll learn a lot more about life.
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  Dreamsicle April 25, 2013 at 4:53pm

  Boston bombing = smoke and mirrors?

  I guess you're the type that has to be there to believe something. You have to leave your house and participate in society for that.
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  Drekx Omega April 25, 2013 at 4:24pm

  Hmmmm, maybe Josh has a valid point, leffotrak...?? Is the Boston event yet another smoke and mirrors...?? You betchya...and what's new...

  The photographic evidence does suggest another fraud, which involves military personnel, playing the roles...
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  Dreamsicle April 25, 2013 at 4:15pm

  "You need to do your homework DEBUNKER, even a troll does better than that." Well excuse me for not being a troll and reporting my observation of the "evidence" provided above.

  I sound like? Something tells me you didn't even read what I posted because I make some very valid points.

  I'm paying attention, how else could I quote from the video directly? Are YOU paying attention? If you're going to address, I suggest actually reading my words. You've already judged me just because I disagree with you. Because I disagree with you, you've already labeled me a troll. Earth to Joshua, disagreeing doesn't make someone a troll. Wiki has the definition of a troll if you're interested. Oh wait! That information is an illusion! It's a coverup!

   

  Once again, I'm giving you the same comment I posted in that other thread because it's relating:

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  From my experience, people who have time to bark, "hoax!"... "it's fake!"...  "it's an illusion!"... lack real life adventures and so they do this to  compensate for it.

   

  It takes time for blood to appear ffs. Have you ever gotten injured that  resulted in bleeding (if you don't live under a rock, I would bet you have)?  Blood doesn't always appear IMMEDIATELY. It can take a few seconds. God, if the  people directly involved with these pictures saw all this fluff trying to state  it's staged... I bet they feel sad for the people who think that.

   

  And so what about family guy? Do you know how often people get their ideas  from movies and tv and music? Big effin deal. They were young men... I wouldn't  be surprised if they saw that episode (and many more) and planned accordingly  because they saw the irony in it.

   

  I'd like to say that I hope the next time something like this happens,  the "hoax barkers" will physically be at the location and experience it first  hand for themselves. And then I hope they get to read all the conspiracy  theories created regarding it so they can see first hand how often real life  events get skewed by "those types of people". ---I'd like to say that... but I  don't want "a next time" to actually happen.

   

  It'd be different if it was actually a hoax. When people are deluded, they  see what they want to see and are capable of making up endless excuses to try  and prove their point... no amount of rationality and common sense will get  through to them because they glaze over it since they're so convinced they're  right and the other person is wrong. Delusion is a sickness. Just because  you don't actively choose to wear an aluminum foil helmet, doesn't mean you're  not affected by the same illness. It has varying degrees.

   

  If all the energy that was wasted on this crap was used for something  productive, the world would be a better place.

   

  If I told you your  house is bugged, in toys, in gadgets, in your computer, in  your speakers, in your vents, hidden in screws, in your tv, in your  cupboards, doorknobs, windows, closet, jewelry, buttons and more ... would  you tear it apart trying to look for it?  =/

   

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  Priorities man. Where are you peoples' priorities?! God I feel bad for the  communities where kids are being influenced by these types of people. Some role  models.

   

  I dare all of you who think the government is some sort of evil organization  will mass cover ups to actually try and get a government job and learn what's  going on from within. Wait, you won't... because you're not actually interested  in changing/fixing anything... just complaining about it. But if you did (they'd  probably turn you away for mental instability, but if not)... you'd have your eyes opened and see how  often the public and crazies blow things out of proportion. And  if you think that nothing is ever blown out of proportion... well, then it's no  surprise I'm sitting here typing this.

   

  Reading some of these conspiracy theories is much like reading those  celebrity trash magazines and joke tabloids. Most of it is false. It's ironic  how the same people who understand that there are lies in these magazines and  tabloids... are so easily convinced by conspiracy theories. I'm not saying  that some conspiracies aren't true... it happens... but if you're going to waste  your time with this stuff... it'd be wise to be able to use good observation  skills to see when one is being pulled over on you.

   

  Did you know gullible is written on the ceiling?

   

  The good news, is that "you people" are easily spotted a mile away. If  "normal" people really wanna mess with you types... shout out the car window  while passing the crazies by and shout, "they're watching you!"...... > .> no don't do that... it's a bad idea to pick on the mentally unstable  (even if they're only slightly unstable).

   

  If we exist after we die, and we're given the truth behind things... you'll  be so disappointed how much of your life you wasted because of shit like this.  But even if you're given the truth after death, you're probably still not going  to believe it. And even if you do.. what good does that do you in the meantime  here on Earth? It doesn't. So sad.

   

  I'll pray for all of you.

   

  Good luck to you and those like you.
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  rev.joshua skirvin April 25, 2013 at 8:03am

  Sounds like to me you are working for the DC or the VISITORS, leffotrack. You may need to put your glasses on and get some caffene to perk you up. Its easy to debunk but its hard to prove something. He who has eyes ,let him see, he who has ears ,let him hear. There is no more blind than he who will not see and non more deaf than he who will not hear. I have watched several dozen of these vids showing the hoax, the show that was put on for us and I believe it was just that , a show, no real blood at the scenes no dead bodies for proof and these amputees were actors just like the military vids shows. You need to do your homework DEBUNKER, even a troll does better than that. And we do expect this to happen on this site, its happened before. So people use Great Discretion here, do your home work , ask yourselves why would they do such a thing, who's behind the Hoax. Its the DC again installing the NWO !!! Adonai
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  Dreamsicle April 25, 2013 at 2:15am

  Are you serious? Video speaker says, "He's adjusting something there"... yeah, dude got his legs blown off... there's going to be lots of adjustments to his jimmy rigged tourniquet... his boo-boos are going to get attended to... dee dee dee.

  This isn't hard evidence. This is rumor and gossip.... it's basically a guy going "I'm gonna tell you what I think is happening in this video, it's only my speculation, but my speculation is enough to cause gullible people to believe me".

  I think http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/some-more-evidence-fr... makes a better attempt at trying to cry wolf (claiming to be from an EMT). That dude really got his legs blown off. You can argue this 6 ways to sunday and it won't changed what happened.. and I'm going to tell you the same thing I said in that post I linked:

   

  There are people who seriously think this bombing was staged and not  real?

   

  Do those  people ever leave their house? I know that sounds really rude, but I  mean that in the nicest of ways.  They obviously weren't there. And  apparently they didn't have any friends there either.

   

  Normally I don't care when people have their own conspiracy theories... but  it's really disturbing when someone who gives the appearance of being  intelligent, gets sucked into their own paranoia  and delusion and they do their best to be like, "bam bam bam,  this is why I'm right, booya" and they're not right at all. It's disturbing man.  And I don't think evolution can fix that.

   

  Frame by Frame... so... is that 1 second a frame, or half a second?.. no  wait, I looked it up... it's 24-30 frames PER SECOND... oh wait, is that  information a lie too? .... =/

   

  Okay, so 20 frames, not  even 1 second. For crying out loud, sorry his blood isn't  squirting out fast enough for you (speaking to the "EMT" guy). And as an EMT  guy, how often are you standing next to a healthy person, and actually there  right before and at the moment they get hurt? Aren't you usually there AFTER the  fact? Have you ever gotten any of your body parts pierced or cut before? Then  you'll know that blood doesn't always appear in the first half quarter of a  second. Not even a full  second. Jeez louise.

   

  If we exist after we die and you're told the truth about this, you're going  to feel like an idiot and be like, "holy shit, I believed it was a hoax with so  much conviction when it wasn't a hoax" and maybe it'll dawn on you how many  people like you exist that have theories they believe with so much conviction  but aren't actually the truth and you'll get a better understanding at the  idiocy of humanity and people like the author/narrator of these photos. And  maybe you'll understand why seemingly intelligent people lose credibility and  respect when they go on their own tirade of crying wolf and claiming conspiracy  theories. .... the frightening part is that people like that are molding the  minds of younger generations, and sometimes not for the better.

   

  All the narrator of the photos conveyed to me is that they have too much time  on their hands if they had the free time to come up with this idea and then  spend time typing this out. How many people died because the narrator was too  busy on the computer instead of out in the field saving lives?

   

  At this day in age, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA.... with everyone having so many  mobile devices and recording devices... there's going to be so many angles  available to view for any given situation... making a bombing hoax in such a  public place (a marathon ffs) where people have recording devices galore...  wouldn't be very smart.

   

  I do agree that the amputee probably should've gotten priority... but they  also have to make sure it's safe to move the  person before they do. Notice how the guy who got his legs blown off was  being attended to AS the black lady was being carried away. Also, as an EMT, you  should be aware of "the state of shock" that happens to people's minds and body.  But why am I even telling you this? You should already know that with your  experience in the field.

   

  If we exist after we die... how pissed are you going to be if some conspiracy  theorist gets ahold of your story, and is able to convince many people that your  death was a hoax, that you were a hoax and that you and your family didn't  actually ever exist... it was all just some fabrication for some reason or  another... wouldn't that piss you off?

   

  People really did get injured at this bombing.

  People really did die at this bombing.

  I don't care if you believe me, it's not one of those things where I need to  be believed. It happened, and there's nothing you can do about it. Except make  yourself look like you need to up your dosage on those "anti-paranoia" pills if  they exist.

   

  I can understand young minds being impressionable, but senior citizens?  Shouldn't they have been on Earth long enough to have heard it all, seen it all,  and be the wiser for it? It's embarrassing, as a human being, to see  "elderly people" (with all their faculties seemingly still in working  order) fall for bullshit. And it makes me sad. I want an elderly person I can  look up to. I want elderly people to be role models. Not examples of what not to  do or be. Not someone that I want to pat on the head and go "there there"  because they're too ignorant to know better. And the shitty part, is that  because old people help shape young people.... the cycle of dumbassness repeats  itself. It's so sad.

   

  Yes I'm a little upset... I'm upset at the general IQ of "the people of  Earth".  Sorry if I offended anyone. I can either keep it to myself and let  it fester, or get it out and hopefully inspire a few wake up calls and/or  reality checks.

   

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  Now on the other hand... did those boys really do this? I do not know. One of the suspects/brothers already died in a gun shootout... but why would he need to shoot at police to cause them to shoot back if he was innocent in the first place? They're not looking to play the blame game because a lot of people had to come forward because they were being accused and they had to clear their name, "hey I didn't do it"... like that kid who was scared and shocked when people thought he looked suspicious in videos and he had to go down the station and tell them directly that he didn't do it to clear him off the suspect list.

   

  With ALL the theories in the world of why this happened... "Hollywood"... are you friggen kidding me? Such a lazy theory. Hollywood has better things to do. Let's all forget how many people/nations/countries/etc hate the USA. Let's all forget how dumb kids are capable of doing dumb things.

   

  All the people crying wolf saying this whole thing is fake... makes you wonder if there's anything in life they ever thought was real ever.

   

  I find it interesting that the excuses people use, they don't have real, direct experience with the subject matter. People blaming "Hollywood" never had direct experience with "Hollywood"... people blaming the media never had direct experience with the media (and when I say direct, I don't mean saw it on tv, or read an article... I mean worked in the business or had a SANE, close family member or friend who did)... etc etc so on and so forth.
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  1 darkstar April 25, 2013 at 1:30am

  Oh, my God, this never ends, does it?