I thought this was worth sharing with more than just my uncle. This is a conversation we had when he saw a post of mine that said love is all you need. He had some questions : )
Norman:
OK Andrew my turn to ask a question, I watched the video, so if all we need is love, does this movement support abortion? Also is this part of Agenda 21, a United Nations movement?
Andrew:
Ok : ) These are both huge topics, but I will do my best to discuss what i believe about both. I have come across spiritual teachings that talk about the fact that an embryo isn't developed enough to house such a complex human soul for the first 40 days of development. This is coming from the Zohar spiritual book of Kabbalah (jewish mysticism). It's the same idea as when we leave this world. Our body either gets too old or has suffered so much trauma that it can no longer be the vessel for a soul. I feel like abortion is a huge decision that only the one in the situation can judge. If the pregnancy has happened due to a rape, there may be phycological issues that develop between the mother and the child in the long run, so I can understand someone not wanting to carry the child of someone that raped them. I don't think it's right for everyone. I feel that adoption is a great alternative because there are so many people that have trouble conceiving. The Idea that all we need is love brings about the fact that we shouldn't judge someone that chooses the route of abortion because we will never walk in their shoes. They have had an entire existence that is different that ours so how can we judge anything for them? I believe that judging anyone for being different than we are or believing different things is just a form of hate. If we all have more understanding and compassion as well as forgiveness then we can all get on with what is right for us. Creation is vast and one way isn't right for everyone. As for Agenda 21. This is a scary subject because you have a government body that is trying to put controls on how we live eat and reproduce. I don't know if you have heard of the Illuminati or the New World Order, but I believe this Agenda 21 is the beginning of ''powers that be'' trying to slip under the radar and convince us they need to take our human rights away because it's for the greater good. It is a fact that every country is in debt to banks that are separate entities from those governments. They may have nice names that sound like they aren't separate, but they are. These banks ie. the ruling class of social elite are pulling most of the strings these days in our governments. They control the media and all that good stuff. Did you know that if you follow the trails of money, you will see that our government leaders and the leaders of most of the developed world own companies that make millions off of war, oil, and other recourses. Part of what I have just said should be apparent from the video I had you watch. It's like the Wizard of Oz...."pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." The curtain is the facade governments that we see while the bankers and ruling class are pulling the levers and breathing their fire onto the world stage. I know this sound like i'm a complete conspiracy theorists, but the truth is out there if you want it. We see what ever we want to see, and because of mass media, most of what we see is what they want us to see. It's my generation that is fighting this movement and waking up to the fact that there is something very wrong with the world. There is a way for there to be peace in the world. Though it may not seem this way. It is truly a consciousness of love. The same consciousness that Jesus had himself. It's something that we are all capable of. I personally believe that that is the "second coming" It turns out we are all Jesus. I have explained this belief to your sister and my dad and they are open minded to my beliefs but have a hard time with this idea. Modern religion has led us to believe we are separate from the forces of divinity. We pray to it, ask it's forgiveness and believe we are all sinners and separate from it. I believe our God has (is) so much love that we are forgiven even before we trespass. And yes we all make mistakes, but when we start accepting the fact that we are truly divine we start letting the light of god live within us as a part of us. And this road lead us to upliftment and awakening to true spirit. This makes our actions just and our words true and we slowly become "the christ." What ever God is out there, I can tell you one thing for sure. It encompasses everything. That means all peoples of all religions and belief systems. That means all of the cosmos and galaxies. All is One and all is Love. Thanks for wanting to talk to me on Facebook. I know these are big ideas for you to think about and I understand if you think i'm crazy. The thing is, I may just be crazy, but you know what they say - unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. - Andrew
Norman:
OK So you had a lot to say, but I am not sure it had much meaning, or least that I can follow. I believe that you follow some sort of humanism, which if I understand is making the earth Heaven, and that we cannot have any sin. I would like to know where all of this came from? , so I can understand your position or positions. It seems that we are on the same page for the Agenda 21 issue, although the video I watched, did seem to also want to control the people. Limiting use of our resources for the betterment of the group, I believe mentioning sustainable growth, sustainable population, etc. I am also not so sure if I agree with the thinking at if we disagree we are a hater, I don't hate those who let say support abortion, I just don't think they have any position that will change my mind. As you use some lose quotes from the Bible, I knew you before you were born, not the exact verse, but I think you understand my point. I am glad we can have these discussions, opinions like they say are like belly buttons everyone has one. I may not be the 1%, but I am surely not the 99% whatever that is, I don't think they understand life yet. Norman: Andrew, just another question on the Occupy Movement, how do you justify the 99%, when you attend and have attended what is truly a corporate entity, supported by big donors and tax payers like me.
Andrew;
Hey Uncle Norman, Ok this is going to be an interesting discussion. The beliefs i have developed have taken me my whole life to figure out. And of course you are older and I respect where you are coming from, but what I have experienced and found to be true is something so beautiful that I can't ignore it, or even keep it to my self. Even when I was younger I had a sense of wonder about spirituality. I can remember spending the night at a friends house and going to church with them on sunday morning. I was deeply interested in what was being taught. I can also remember going to your church with grandpa and grandma and everyone. This was something that our little holman chunk of the family didn't do, but I loved the feeling of connection to God I started having when I came to church with you guys. This connection is something that is so real and i understand why people still follow these kinds of religions. Even now as my parents have started to go to church regularly. I think it is great what they get out of the experience.....ie friends, community, love between individuals.... I personally have expanded my views of what spirituality is to me. I have found a much deeper connection that I feel that any one religion could have shown me. I have studied and learned much about the bible and it's teachings, as well as buddhism meditational practices. I have also learned a bit about the koran and the practices of Kabbalah. The truth I have found for myself has opened me up to so many possibilities. I believe that what is really "real" is a Creator God that we are all physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually a part of. It is something that encompasses all peoples of all religions and skin colors. In that way, we are all truly part of the whole, making us brothers and sisters. Of course I'm asking you to open your mind beyond the teachings of Christianity and see where i'm coming from. It has been my generation that has had to reject the spiritual teachings of our parents and elders to come to a higher truth of what really lies beyond this life. The truth is we are not humans having a spiritual experience. We are divine angelic souls having a human experience. We have forgotten just how divine we are and that is why we are here in the first place.....To be separated from gods light so that we may find our way back to the light through love and peacefulness in our hearts. We are all on different roads to the exact same place, and that is back to God. I also believe that the idea of original sin is a fear based lie that makes people afraid of "Hell" and brings people to the religion. I believe that all the different world religions were created to show separate parts of the truth....as in every religion has a part of the truth of our existence, but these religions separate us and put us at odds from each other, creating hatred towards people that are different that us. I believe that hell isn't real because no benevolent creator god would ever what to see it's creations suffer for eternity. Every "sin" is forgiven before we trespass. That is the analogy of christ dying on the cross for our sins. Sin is over. We are the only ones keeping track of our sins, when we really just need to forgive our selves for our wrong doings and forgive all others for theirs as well. We are all so different yet all the same, so we cannot judge others for what they do. Even if it is rape or steal. That is their decision and though it is clearly wrong. That is where they are in their spiritual journey. they will learn through out this lifetime or all the next. Thats another thing. I believe in reincarnation. Our souls (our little spark of the whole light that is God) has come to the 3rd dimension to experience what it is like to be human and to learn the lessons this life and world has to offer. I believe we keep recycling here until we have learned all our lessons and reach a christ like, buddha like...(what ever you want to call it) version of our selves. When this happens we move to the next level of experience, which brings us into angelic realms. We are angels in human bodies and when we truly remember that and understand that we go back to that realm and become a helper and guardian to those souls that have yet to make the journey home. We think we are so separate from those realms, but it is truly all connected. I know this a lot to think about and i am so thankful for your willingness to communicate with me. I do enjoy having a greater sense of family. I miss not seeing everyone so often as when I was much younger. Anyways I want to offer you and example of how judging someone equals a form of "hate." So Mike Denius is someone that maybe from your point of view is off track with his life or maybe you feel he makes poor life decisions and is too wild to be spiritually aware. What you think of him is only inside of yourself. It has nothing to do with what is in him. When we experience judgment of anyone outside our selves our reality tells us thats how they are, but the illusion is that what we think of them is only inside our selves. Maybe it's a feeling of being more spiritually sound than another, or living your life in a better way than another, but this is something that in this life, we have to get rid of. We are not better than anyone else no matter what our understanding of life is. We are all the same there for equal in the eyes of god regardless of where we are in our spiritual development. And for the record, Mike and I have become very close in the past two years. He would come to bowling green and visit from time to time and we still talk on the phone quite a bit. I consider him a brother these days. After the first time we hung out in like 5 years...I knew how much love he has in his heart and how he only wants to figure this life out as much as the next guy. It's when we can stand side by side with people of great difference and have love for everyone that true spiritual beauty occurs. It's literally becoming divine, by seeing the divinity in others and in nature and even in the whole universe and multi-verse....as it is all connected and is as a whole God the prime creator. Now for the 99%. It represents the 99% of the population that has 1% of the total wealth on this plant where 1% of the population owns 99% of the wealth on the planet. This 1% is an evil ruling class of social elite. They are the bankers and the government leaders that make millions and billions even off of war, genocide, the pillaging of mother earths (which is a living breathing conscious being ) resources including water, trees, oil, and precious metals - all of which is quieted by the mass media that is also controlled by these social elite. We are all slaves to this machine and I know how ridiculous this may sound, but the truth of what is really going on is out there if you seek it. Religion plays a part in it too. At this time there is also a great awakening happening and this is something I am playing a big part of and have known about for a few years. We are waking up to our oneness with the divine and our oneness with our creator. Love is the only truth. As far as attending a corporate entity.....I am just doing what i gotta do to follow my dream, which is to create art and music and beauty all around me. By the way. I want to invite you to listen to my music on my website at www.definingclay.com Also...Being a part of this corporate entity and having to get student loans is another form of control. My generation has been crippled with the cost of education and it has put us in ridiculous levels of debt that we will fight our whole lives to get out of...that is if this whole system doesn't crash....which it will.....sooner than later. This debt is something your generation experiences with mortgages and car payments. It was all about that american dream of a white picket fence with a moderate backyard and a dog. They have all right where they want us and that is enslaved by money. The next world wont need money. Again, I now I see like a big crazy, but I am not the only one that has woken up to these truths and if you do your own research you will find the same things. Look up the theory that the 9/11 attacks were organized by the american government. The evidence is staggering. Thanks again for chatting on Facebook. I hope you see that i may not believe the same things as you, but I am most definitely spiritually aware. I love you Mr. Norman : ) I hope to talk to you soon. Also! all these idea's i've spoken to you about have also been communicated to my parents. I'm sure they wouldn't mind being able to talk about it with someone other than me. They may in fact need it....
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