Relationship Between Religion And Government

Some people say that religion was created to control people. If I get it correct, it means that prio to religion, there was some authority some how established. However, there is a reason why causality must be the other way round. It is religion that created the concept of authority. Before authority is established, some way of rallying people behind some leader must first be found. Religion is one of the best way of achieving such. Latter leaders realized this and then begun using religion for such purpose. However the first rallies were never planned.The first kings were also religious leaders capable of performing what look like miracles or magics. It is these magics that attracted large crowds. Then people begin to adore or even fear these 'magicians'. They thought that they were servants of 'gods'. People begun to follow anything that these 'magicians' said because they believed that their words were 'words of gods'. Whenever they said 'kill this guys' a mob of their followers would do just that! The first king was born!But a king, a president etc is just someone whom at least some significantly large number of people obey everything they say. Without the plicemen who obey the president, his power disappears into the thin air it came from! So the first 'policemen' or 'soldiers' were a gang of religious fanatics who obeyed some leader without question, even when he orders killing or such. But then people soon realized that they have infact inadvertently invented something that has some advantages on its own: government. The idea of 'government' is to concentrate power to a few people so that unruly crowd is tamed by injecting some mind. They realized that societies that had religious leaders that were obeyed were more orderly.When you close exermine history of civilization, you note it is hard to seperate early governments from religion. Pharaohs, for instance, were worshiped as gods! You might at first think that the indoctrination that brought the beleif in divinity of pharaohs was intentionaly done by the pharaohs to solidify their grip to power. However, the difficulty in rallying people without some beleif will lead you to realize that the truth must actually be the vise-versa.Egyptian civilization begun when fanatics regularly meet to worship along the rivers. Pharaos were at first just magicians. So the civilization was realy not a government religionized. It was a religion governized.The story of the bible is another case that shows very well how gorvernments evolved from religions( and never the vise-versa). It is far easier for a church to turn into a government than for a government to invent a religion. Infact were it not for the fact that there is an already well established government, a lot of churches you see around would haved morphed into governments! We iften see church leader waving a breath taking authority on their members. They decide when they cry, laugh, who to interact with, where they should go etc. Things get worst when the very church leaders are also miracle performing 'prophets'. Such is exactly how Moses were able to get a massive authority. Who dare questioned the 'servant of God' who can divide the sea by waving a magical stuff?As you may note also, the earlier religio-governments were pure democracies. This is a part that may be hard for some to understand becouse they have incongruously equated 'democracy' with 'voting'. No wonder many people believe the ridiculous idea that US is the oldest democracy. No armies forced people to obey Moses or other such leaders in their majorities. They did willingly because they believed that they were 'men of God' worthy of total obudience. Plus there was no way of creating an army that rule against the will of the majority in antiquity. Not only there were no sophisticated weapons that can enpower a few people,e.g.a machine gun, there were not even an elite group of people that formed an army. The army was invented by the Assyrian empire.
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  • Even in modern times, were the government gets its authority has questionable legitimacy. Well, they claim that they get it 'from the people' (democrasy) but who said the will of the often slightly larger majority should triumph over the will of the slightly smaller minority? What authority issued this 'law'? How about the so called 'independent institutions?' How are they accountable to the public? What if electoral bodies steal elections and colude with judiciary?

    Actually it is a fat lie! Chief justic is selected by the president. So in this sense the president has more authority. But the chief justice can declare the election of the very president fraudulent. So in this sense the chief justice has more authority than th president. The chief justice can overrule parliament decision. So in this sense the chief justice has bigger authority than the perliament. The perliament approves the selection of the chief justice. So in this sense the perliament has more authority than the chief justice. The president can dissolve the perliament. So in this sense the president has more authority than the perliament. The perliament can impeach the president. So in this sense the perliament has more authority than the president.

    So legitimacy of authirity is as questionable as it ever was. Infact the ancient world was far better in some ways. The armies were never seperate from the democratic society and the discipline of obedience to only one voice: the king, was instilled by some faith in the legitimacy of the king's authority.

    As people criticise the middle eastern theocratic tendencies, they forget that from there they got the foundation of the government and the middle easterners still have some understand of government better, especially how to erect one from total chaos
  • Yea, we are living in it right now. Openly, no more hiding. Maybe not a bad thing, to know 'the opposition' and it intention.

    searching for God connection have many path, but following anything or anybody that kills in the name of God - have no future.

  • That is true. Originally, people with common beliefs met to worship various 'gods' long before governments were created. Then they formed communities, morals and cooperations. Latter they rallied behind some people perceived to be closer to 'gods', e.g. Moses and those that would become Pharaos. Religion was not created to control people. It was created by genuine believers in an attempt to connect men to God. The greed for power and control came latter.

    Infact the bible surmarized well how, for example, the kingdom of Israel and Judah came about. First there were purely religious leaders captured even better in the book of judges. These leaders never intended to rule people, at least not, permanently. You can see Gideon, for instance, turning down the offer to be made a king of Israel. Latter, of course, the greed for power outdid the search for God. We find latter kings doing everything to retain power, including killing their own children!
  • Even though you are right about using religion (fear) to control, govern, it was not created to control people. 

    God can be realized only in the realms of human experience; the true concept of the reality of God is reasonable to logic, plausible to philosophy, essential to religion.

    In its true essence,religion is a faith-trust in righteousness. Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. 

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